jwar
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Post by jwar on Oct 12, 2010 7:36:51 GMT -6
And apologies in advance to Chris, Billy, Tom, and the rest of the forum. Brian, I like you. Have I ever told you that? I knew he was talking about you and I knew it was utter bullshit. I mean give up already Paul. There is no need to continually try and defend your poor business practices and decisions. Those of us who like your books are saddened by all this (FMP going under) but will be very, very, very wary of buying anything with your name on it. Accept that fact and move on. Anything you say from this point on is just hurting Zach IMO regardless of if it's good or bad.
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Post by kresby on Oct 12, 2010 19:25:52 GMT -6
And apologies in advance to Chris, Billy, Tom, and the rest of the forum. Brian, I like you. Have I ever told you that? I knew he was talking about you and I knew it was utter bullshit. I mean give up already Paul. There is no need to continually try and defend your poor business practices and decisions. Those of us who like your books are saddened by all this (FMP going under) but will be very, very, very wary of buying anything with your name on it. Accept that fact and move on. Anything you say from this point on is just hurting Zach IMO regardless of if it's good or bad. Well said jwar.
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Post by Paul Little on Oct 12, 2010 21:26:32 GMT -6
Nice try at deflection, Paul, except that: a) You were already behind on your commitments and publishing schedule LONG before my novella was due. b) The contract stated I got paid in advance, and that this sum was non-refundable, regardless of whether or not you stayed in business. You requested a novella. I wrote a novella. Are you suggesting that I should have worked for free? That's an awesome idea. I'm gonna ask the carpenter who is working on my ex-wife's house to do the job for free, too. I'm sure he'll laugh as hard as I am. It's not my fault you went out of business and couldn't publish the novella you paid me for. I did my part. Maybe you should have concentrated on publishing one book at a time, rather than announcing 500 fucking thousand of them. Also, I'm not sure how I've "slammed" you. How does my wondering if Zach Whateverthefuckhisnameis is connected to you constitute a "slam" against you? I'm sorry for your personal strife and troubles, but I'd suggest that instead of continuing to point fingers at other people, you try being a little more forthcoming. Given the situation, I think people have a right to ask questions. Their questions have been valid so far. Your reaction to those questions has not. When did you write this novella??? You NEVER turned one in or advised me it was complete. If you say otherwise you are full of crap. No I don't expect you to work for free, but regardless of whether you thought it would be published or not, you did have an obligation to turn in the work I paid you for. To use your carpenter analogy, I suppose that I should pay that same carpenter to work on my house, only to have him never show up and never do the work and then not balk when the s.o.b. starts talking crap about me? I am the one laughing now, bud!! My point is that you, of all people, shouldn't be pointing the finger at me for not fulfilling obligations when you are a hypocrite. Of course there are people here that will take your word against mine, but we both know you never turned in anything! Had you turned something in, I wouldn't be complaining. Many authors did and they have a right to what was paid regardless of whether it was published or not. You never bothered, so why not pay that $ to a subscriber? You certainly didn't earn it.
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Post by Paul Little on Oct 12, 2010 21:33:53 GMT -6
And apologies in advance to Chris, Billy, Tom, and the rest of the forum. Brian, I like you. Have I ever told you that? I knew he was talking about you and I knew it was utter bullshit. I mean give up already Paul. There is no need to continually try and defend your poor business practices and decisions. Those of us who like your books are saddened by all this (FMP going under) but will be very, very, very wary of buying anything with your name on it. Accept that fact and move on. Anything you say from this point on is just hurting Zach IMO regardless of if it's good or bad. I appreciate your opinion, but it is certainly NOT BS. Brian never turned in the work he was paid for and he was months late before FMP ever crashed. This makes him in default. Do I expect him to "man up" and take responsibility? Not really. But I don't appreciate him talking crap when he didn't live up to his end of the deal either. I will take all the heat I am due from those who were hurt by FMP's failure, but I can't stomach taking crap from someone who basically ripped FMP off.
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Post by mistercrowley on Oct 13, 2010 4:15:46 GMT -6
You certainly are the expert at ripping folks off.
Jim
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Post by brett on Oct 13, 2010 6:36:31 GMT -6
This thread is getting crazy. I am not a customer of FMP, and I really haven't been following these issues much, preferring instead to stay away from the negativity. However, it appears to me as if pot shots are being taken. So, my brief $.02 on the issue:
Even if Paul had any valid points, he's lost all credibility. As for his comment, it's doubtful any writer's career would benefit from unprofessional behavior. And we all know Brian's career is enjoying one of the best trajectories in the genre.
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Post by dringlish on Oct 13, 2010 8:29:50 GMT -6
Crazy thread, indeed.
Paul, considering your heart attacks, mini-stroke, blood clots, bouts of pneumonia, Rheumatoid arthritis, Fibromyalgia, Lyme disease, severe migraines, numerous allergies, stress fractures, Rocky Mountain spotted fever, back pains, digestive problems, memory lapses, sleepless nights, possibly failing liver and the onset of congestive heart failure, do you really want to spend the final weeks and months of your life waging bitter arguments with people on message boards? Forget about the Internet, failed publishing ventures and people you feel have wronged you, and focus instead on enjoying your remaining days with friends and family. I may not be a “true customer” of Full Moon Press or King’s Way Press, but at the very least I can wish you find a little happiness before it’s too late.
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Post by fucktard on Oct 14, 2010 0:43:57 GMT -6
It seems that there will be no solving this dispute. As far as I understand contracts, the writer gets paid regardless of publication, else why would they bother to put in the time to do it in the fist place? It also seems that Paul doesn't understand the meaning of 'this will be my last comment', as I'm sure I saw he wrote that a few comments ago... 'This will be my last post on the subject. I just wanted to make a point.' Direct quote...
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Post by Paul Little on Oct 14, 2010 17:49:49 GMT -6
It seems that there will be no solving this dispute. As far as I understand contracts, the writer gets paid regardless of publication, else why would they bother to put in the time to do it in the fist place? It also seems that Paul doesn't understand the meaning of 'this will be my last comment', as I'm sure I saw he wrote that a few comments ago... 'This will be my last post on the subject. I just wanted to make a point.' Direct quote... I felt a couple of comments needed to be answered. It's not that Brian's story never got published it's that it never got written or turned in. Had he done so, I wouldn't have complained. Since he likes to cast stones, I thought it funny that he ripped FMP off himself. He owed FMP a submission that was paid for and he never delivered, even though FMP went down MONTHS after his submission was overdue. He seems to be using the argument of "oh well, you couldn't have published it anyway....". That's not the point. He didn't do what he was paid for. Imagine ordering an expensive pizza and it is promised in 45 minutes and the pizza never arrives. Even days and months go by and it never arrives. Then one day you run across the Pizza shops manager and he says "oh well, you moved several months after your pizza was supposed to have been delivered, so I am not to blame." Is this a valid argument? That months later FMP closed does not change the fact that Keene owed me a novella with a due date months before FMP closed and he never delivered it or offered an explanation or excuse why. If he changed his mind about dealing with FMP he should have offered a refund if he wasn't going to do the work. I challenge you Brian, what was the name of the story you wrote if you indeed wrote one? You never turned it in to FMP, but if you truly wrote one, it should have been published by some publisher by now, given your popularity, and the date by which you were supposed to have turned it in to FMP. I can't imagine you have a novella sitting around that's not being published after well over a years time. Anyway, I know it won't change anyone's mind here but Brian did in fact fail to deliver. He's a great author, but one piece of his greatest pieces of fiction is that he turned something in to FMP and didn't rip FMP off. I know he makes his maSters proud.
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JDar
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Post by JDar on Oct 14, 2010 19:00:25 GMT -6
oh CRAP - now I'm hungry for pizza.
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Post by fucktard on Oct 15, 2010 4:32:28 GMT -6
Paul...every post you make damages KWP...why should Zach suffer because you can't let things rest for once...
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Post by mistercrowley on Oct 15, 2010 4:58:31 GMT -6
If zach wouldn't have involved himself with Paul he wouldn't have this problem in the first place.
Jim
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Post by fucktard on Oct 15, 2010 5:22:25 GMT -6
If zach wouldn't have involved himself with Paul he wouldn't have this problem in the first place. Jim Too true, Jim...bad business decision, for sure...
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Post by fucktard on Oct 15, 2010 5:23:57 GMT -6
It seems that there will be no solving this dispute. As far as I understand contracts, the writer gets paid regardless of publication, else why would they bother to put in the time to do it in the fist place? It also seems that Paul doesn't understand the meaning of 'this will be my last comment', as I'm sure I saw he wrote that a few comments ago... 'This will be my last post on the subject. I just wanted to make a point.' Direct quote... I felt a couple of comments needed to be answered. It's not that Brian's story never got published it's that it never got written or turned in. Had he done so, I wouldn't have complained. Since he likes to cast stones, I thought it funny that he ripped FMP off himself. He owed FMP a submission that was paid for and he never delivered, even though FMP went down MONTHS after his submission was overdue. He seems to be using the argument of "oh well, you couldn't have published it anyway....". That's not the point. He didn't do what he was paid for. Imagine ordering an expensive pizza and it is promised in 45 minutes and the pizza never arrives. Even days and months go by and it never arrives. Then one day you run across the Pizza shops manager and he says "oh well, you moved several months after your pizza was supposed to have been delivered, so I am not to blame." Is this a valid argument? That months later FMP closed does not change the fact that Keene owed me a novella with a due date months before FMP closed and he never delivered it or offered an explanation or excuse why. If he changed his mind about dealing with FMP he should have offered a refund if he wasn't going to do the work. I challenge you Brian, what was the name of the story you wrote if you indeed wrote one? You never turned it in to FMP, but if you truly wrote one, it should have been published by some publisher by now, given your popularity, and the date by which you were supposed to have turned it in to FMP. I can't imagine you have a novella sitting around that's not being published after well over a years time. Anyway, I know it won't change anyone's mind here but Brian did in fact fail to deliver. He's a great author, but one piece of his greatest pieces of fiction is that he turned something in to FMP and didn't rip FMP off. I know he makes his maSters proud. Blah Blah Blah! It's like listening to a broken record...but at least you can turn off a turntable...
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Post by thunderstormbooks on Oct 15, 2010 6:05:38 GMT -6
One thing I'd like to point out is that this stuff should be noted in the contract and handled between the parties offline.
Typically, when I communicate verbally with an author, the game plan many times can be stated in as little as a couple of sentences:
For example: Number of copies: # amount, retail price: $X, Royalty rate: Y%, Advance: $Z, Plus # of PC copies. Need the MS by X date, to be published Y date. That is the nuts and bolts and although I will put this stuff in complete sentences, pretty much that is it.
And the author will respond, ya or nay, or ask to change something.
But when it comes down to putting it in writing via a written contract. The contract is 8 page long.
A few sentences turn into eight pages, largely to handle not only things that are included, but things that aren't, as well as contingencies when deadlines and other things (by both the publisher and the author) are not met.
If something is not explicitly stated in the contract, guess what, the author gets the benefit of the doubt.
Hope this adds a little bit of insight.
Paul
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