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Post by dezm on Oct 2, 2010 9:50:16 GMT -6
I agree with Cutter. I just thought it was weird that KWP just suddenly pops up but no one's really heard about it. At least I didn't, that's why I was curious.
If whoever owns KWP came out and said, "Hey, I'm starting a new press and I'm releasing stuff from FMP because they were good books, stories, etc. I hope you'll enjoy what I have going on." , then maybe it would have came off differently.
But seeing Little's name splattered all over it, knowing the press is now done by a friend or something of his, just makes me think that Little is still somehow involved with the press behind the scenes. And I for one don't want to give the dude any of my money after he basically skull fucked a bunch of good friends of mine.
But again, just my opinion and how I feel. I'm sure it's not the case but whatever.
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Post by vampduster on Oct 2, 2010 11:20:27 GMT -6
I was thinking along the same lines as the rest of you. When I first got the link from CD and saw Little's name, my first thought was "Here we go again." I tried to Google it and came up with an order page for Killer's Diary and nothing else. The order page doesn't work. I notice on the link posted here, when you click on the "about us," There's no info about who's behind it and their background. Only a mission statement. Bad Moon Books has a "Meet Roy" section, Dark Regions has a detailed "about us" section as does MHB Press, Delirium Books, Thunderstorm Books, and Bloodletting Press just to name a few. I prefer to know who I'm dealing with, especially since I was ripped off by John Pelan 3 years ago. For that reason, I won't buy anything attached in any way to anyone who's had a rep for fleecing their customers.
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Post by briankeene on Oct 2, 2010 12:50:24 GMT -6
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Post by Macker on Oct 3, 2010 11:50:05 GMT -6
I really do think that if Zach wanted this press to succeed, and new about this thread before Paul, he should have come on here to defend and put right the rumours that were going around because of that Sig sheet. Which in my opinion was a terrible error using, and personally I'd say too much damage has been done regarding immediate sales of this particular book. Or at least, anyone with any sense should not even be considering this without something from Zach and more info on the site. Very unprofessional, as was the case in the past with his friend. Go team Europe ;D
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Post by sdkdmd on Oct 3, 2010 17:37:05 GMT -6
I don't understand why signature pages with Paul's name on would be used If he has nothing to do with the book...
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Post by macker on Oct 4, 2010 3:01:41 GMT -6
Agreed. And don't say it's to save money. Because the damage of having a failed publishers Signature in your first book FAR outweighs any cost of having to re-do. Even if the cost ran into 1.5k for a coloured printed page, and an extra few weeks of getting a new Sig sheet signed and off to the printer. Business sense? You'll find no business sense here
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Post by bsaenz24 on Oct 4, 2010 10:39:51 GMT -6
For those interested, I got this reply from Zach.
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Hey Brad,
I think that I will not be responding on the forums as it seems that issues are seldom resolved there. It seems to me to be the same revolving arguments with no end. This afternoon I will however be using the old contact list from FMP to send out a newsletter with some news and facts about King's Way Press. I find it a little odd that people I have never met nor had any business with are demanding that I come to a message board to defend myself or my new business. Against what? Putting out a book and not announcing it first? It made good sense to wait to announce the book until it was shipping. Had I announced the book months ago I would have faced months of answering questions & criticism. I do understand peoples concerns over using the old signature pages but I stand by that decision as a wise financial choice. If guilt by association is implied by these people, it makes no sense. Many others were involved with Paul Little; authors, illustrators, and others and I don't see the same guilt by association extended to them. Sadly none of those making the derogatory remarks against Paul know that he has in fact made a provision for them that will be made clear with my newsletter. He was insistent upon one thing--that I help those same people who are slamming him out. While I respect the opinions of his--and somehow my--critics, I do not feel the need to spend countless hours answering for actions that I have nothing to do with. For all those who have expressed an aversion to buying my books---again without just cause---they don't have to. As of this afternoon I am about 4 copies away from the limited edition having sold out. I haven't even announced our second title which is going to print next week, but based on non-paid reservations it will be about 25% sold out before it hits the market. The bottom line is that I hope people will give KWP a fair shake--but if not I will earn their trust with my product. Thank you for keeping me abreast of concerns and comments.
Sincerely, Zach
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dezm
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Post by dezm on Oct 4, 2010 14:30:38 GMT -6
I don't think anyone told him to come to a message board to explain themselves. Just a little bit more info on their own website would have sufficed.
Although I do agree with him, I don't think him coming on here explaining himself would solve anything.
You'll have people that will buy his books that like and want them and people who don't trust anything about that press because of his association with Little and just go buy other books from a respectable publisher.
It is kind of funny that he still indirectly responded on a board though. Heh.
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Post by jwar on Oct 4, 2010 18:51:53 GMT -6
IMO the signature page thing was lame as hell and should have Paul taken out. No offense meant, but if he has nothing to do with the book, it's a bit retarded to have his name on it.
It seems to me that it kind of cheapens the product to have a sig page that doesn't even make sense in the book. I'm interested in this book too, but I'm not so sure about the press.
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Post by dezm on Oct 5, 2010 7:18:57 GMT -6
I believe they used the sig sheets because Little is still involved. Everything this press is doing screams FMP . And the only info you have that says it doesn't is a P O Box a few miles away from where Little lives, some dude named Zach who's a friend of Little's , and Paul Little's word. Ya, okay. It just all sounds too fishy to me. And according to their mission statement they're going to print classic lit. How much you wanna bet that one of their next releases is going to be either Frankenstein or Dracula. KWP will be pumping out all the old FMP titles before they do something original on their own. Which is probably something they should have done to begin with in order to not send the wrong messages.
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Post by jwar on Oct 5, 2010 7:28:23 GMT -6
So have all the lifers been refunded or given equal product for their loss? Would this be a way to get around that? Just curious.
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Post by dezm on Oct 5, 2010 7:53:28 GMT -6
Well I just read over at Horror Drive In that 'Zach' is going to make a deal with former FMP lifers to help out. Which is nice but whatever. The more I read about this the more I get pissed off. The whole things a front and a way for Little to make money and start a new press. I feel it in my gut. The dude's a charlatan. Fuck him. It's kind of weird that all the 'correct' info people have been getting about KWP is all from Paul and one lone champion bsaenz. The whole thing fuckin' stinks if you ask me. Personally, I don't think Zach exists and if he does he's a shitty publisher just like his pal, Paul. Ya, I guess I need some coffee.
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Post by etaylor on Oct 5, 2010 11:04:17 GMT -6
Heres a question, was "Zach" the same guy that was "going to take over FMP" from Paul but then backed out because of the negativity being slung (deservedly so) at Paul?
Too bad the Horror Mall forums are gone and theres no record of that debacle.
I don't think I'd avoid this guys books, but he definitely needs to be transparent about what exactly KWP is and distance himself from Paul Little. If he doesn't, I'd never give him a dime up front for anything.
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Post by sweeper4football on Oct 5, 2010 11:58:06 GMT -6
I believe they used the sig sheets because Little is still involved. Everything this press is doing screams FMP . And the only info you have that says it doesn't is a P O Box a few miles away from where Little lives, some dude named Zach who's a friend of Little's , and Paul Little's word. Ya, okay. It just all sounds too fishy to me. And according to their mission statement they're going to print classic lit. How much you wanna bet that one of their next releases is going to be either Frankenstein or Dracula. KWP will be pumping out all the old FMP titles before they do something original on their own. Which is probably something they should have done to begin with in order to not send the wrong messages. I'm don't want to get into a slagging match with anyone here but I hope KWP does Frankenstein and Dracula since I bought and paid for LETTERED EDTIONS and I would be more than happy to get them from KWP as I never got any books for my money, although Paul did offer me some. But if people keep slagging them off and your welcome to your opinion, but you just maybe spoiling it for people who have not had any return yet......
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Post by etaylor on Oct 5, 2010 12:37:36 GMT -6
I believe they used the sig sheets because Little is still involved. Everything this press is doing screams FMP . And the only info you have that says it doesn't is a P O Box a few miles away from where Little lives, some dude named Zach who's a friend of Little's , and Paul Little's word. Ya, okay. It just all sounds too fishy to me. And according to their mission statement they're going to print classic lit. How much you wanna bet that one of their next releases is going to be either Frankenstein or Dracula. KWP will be pumping out all the old FMP titles before they do something original on their own. Which is probably something they should have done to begin with in order to not send the wrong messages. I'm don't want to get into a slagging match with anyone here but I hope KWP does Frankenstein and Dracula since I bought and paid for LETTERED EDTIONS and I would be more than happy to get them from KWP as I never got any books for my money, although Paul did offer me some. But if people keep slagging them off and your welcome to your opinion, but you just maybe spoiling it for people who have not had any return yet...... Entirely no offense to you or anyone else, I see your perspective. But wouldn't you rather no one else get screwed over? Do you really want them to rob Peter (future customers) to pay Paul (people screwed over by FMP)? But then again, I didn't loose any money with FMP so take my opinion with a grain of salt, if I was out hundreds of $$ I might be singing a different tune.
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